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ohio and nevada. tie goes to obama in this state as well. >> that state is the state where there are a handful of states where it is true. nevada is where it's true. the fact that barack obama is leading in nevada 75-25 with hispan hispanics, you can't win nevada with only 25% of the hispanic vote. it's not going happen. we talked about how important hispanics are throughout the year. it's why the obama campaign is so confident about nevada. they don't believe you can lose that state if you are up 75-25 with hispanics. >> coming up, our next guest has just won the nobel prize in economics. harvard professor alvin roth is with us next and a new hbo documentary looks at a common disorder and why it is found in some of the most successful and intelligent minds. that's disorder. not dysfunction. don't worry. and films director jamie redford joins us in just a few minutes. here's bill karins with the latest on hurricane sandy. >> good morning, everyone. of course we're about four or five days away now from
ohio and nevada. tie goes to obama in this state as well. >> that state is the state where there are a handful of states where it is true. nevada is where it's true. the fact that barack obama is leading in nevada 75-25 with hispan hispanics, you can't win nevada with only 25% of the hispanic vote. it's not going happen. we talked about how important hispanics are throughout the year. it's why the obama campaign is so confident about nevada. they don't believe you can lose that state if...
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iowa, colorado, and nevada. the economy, of course, is really important to people out there. so 71% in iowa, 74%, 78% in nevada. social issues not so important. when asked what candidate would do a better job with the economy, what did they say? >> iowa voters gave romney the edge, 47%. in colorado, it's a statistical tie. despite the nation's financial struggles there are encouraging numbers for the president. the majority of voters believe the worst of the tough economy is behind us. while roughly 4 in 10 think there are bigger problems ahead. and more than half of those polled say inherited conditions are to blame, rather than the president's policies. that's probably a pretty important number. >> let's do the matchups ahead in these three states again. iowa, colorado, and nevada. these are the three states that -- i mean, they are going to be key at the end of the day. >> we've got "the washington post" new polling and abc news. >> you look at these three states, though, the swing states out west. colorado,
iowa, colorado, and nevada. the economy, of course, is really important to people out there. so 71% in iowa, 74%, 78% in nevada. social issues not so important. when asked what candidate would do a better job with the economy, what did they say? >> iowa voters gave romney the edge, 47%. in colorado, it's a statistical tie. despite the nation's financial struggles there are encouraging numbers for the president. the majority of voters believe the worst of the tough economy is behind us....
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state h 2008, but with polling race was incredibly >> out president obama took colorado.he also took nevada back poll had deadlocked over the weekend,ly deadlocked, was it >> >> the romneke an 11h there. obama was declared the winner fairly early in the ni one battleground state mitt rom north carolina a state that tk in conventions this summer. l) but this morning the president's also pulling ah important for the people would say for the president's pulling ahead in the popular . currently leading nationwide 50%-48%. >> aside from the rac white house, getin this. control for were s favor. we're going over all of those a little later. democrats now hold 51 senateblicans' 45 with north dakota stillnow, youemember -- first ol, many peoe that's great. all ri i'm hoping several because if not, you are a drunk that stumbled in off the street! >> you've been paid a lot of money to be here. money to be here watch our show and willie geist will tell you, what have i bee the white house, not that t. >> eally cares? if we can only keep john boehne >> you we did it! >> taná-ningacross the country. >>
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and then sharon engel in nevada. harry reid should be retired watching boxing matches. >> it's political malpractice on the part of the republicans if you want to be in leadership. >> even if the margin is narrow and obama wins subject tomorrow morning has got to be in many ways, we'll have many issues to cover, but politically the fate of the republican party. >> there's no doubt about it. >> demographically, ideologically and all the rest. it's in real trouble even if the margin is narrow. >> and the big question is especially for conservative, movement conservatives are going to be asking how did we lose this race? we will be asking the question that democrats and people that write for the new yorker were asking after you lost to george w. bush twice. let's go now to elijah cummings in baltimore, maryland. how's it going, buddy? how are you feeling? >> i feel great. >> are you going to guarantee that the president will carry maryland tonight? are you willing to step out on a limb? >> by at least 25 points. by at l
and then sharon engel in nevada. harry reid should be retired watching boxing matches. >> it's political malpractice on the part of the republicans if you want to be in leadership. >> even if the margin is narrow and obama wins subject tomorrow morning has got to be in many ways, we'll have many issues to cover, but politically the fate of the republican party. >> there's no doubt about it. >> demographically, ideologically and all the rest. it's in real trouble even if...
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he also took nevada. and mika, back east in pennsylvania, a state that one poll had deadlocked over the weekend, we found out it wasn't really deadlocked, was it, now? >> no. >> that was a lie! >> the romney campaign tried to make an 11th hour push there. obama was declared the winner in pennsylvania fairly early in the night. >> and the one battleground state mitt romney did win last night was north carolina, a state that the president took in 2008. and where democrats held their conventions this summer. but this morning the president's also pulling ahead. and this is very important for the white house and a lot of people would say for the way we govern over the next four years. the president's pulling ahead in the popular vote. currently leading nationwide 50%-48%. >> aside from the race for the white house, get this. republicans who had hoped to win control of the senate last night, they were hoping for it, but it was democrats who were able to flip several seats in their favor. we're going to go over
he also took nevada. and mika, back east in pennsylvania, a state that one poll had deadlocked over the weekend, we found out it wasn't really deadlocked, was it, now? >> no. >> that was a lie! >> the romney campaign tried to make an 11th hour push there. obama was declared the winner in pennsylvania fairly early in the night. >> and the one battleground state mitt romney did win last night was north carolina, a state that the president took in 2008. and where democrats...
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nevada. the president is maintaining a stubborn lead there. i mean, one of the worst economies in the america. what's going on? >> it may be -- >> nevada could be the difference. >> it may be romney's worst of the nine battleground states. >> aren't there a lot of mormans there? >> there are, but there's hispanics, harry reid's machine on the ground, there's labor. >> unions. >> and it's one of the few states where the hispanic vote is hugely -- huge population of hispanic voters there. the president has 75%-25% gap. >> this is what i don't get. >> registration. >> the republican senate candidate seems to be well ahead. i'm surprised -- >> not well ahead. zb >> -- that mitt romney, even if he wins ohio, it could cost him the election. >> it could. >> if it's really close. >> fu look at electoral college calculations, he's more likely to win colorado than nevada. it all pivots on ohio. you can talk about new hampshire, wisconsin, maybe even pennsylvania or michigan, maybe, but it doesn't really matter. if he wins ohio, by virtue of winning ohio
nevada. the president is maintaining a stubborn lead there. i mean, one of the worst economies in the america. what's going on? >> it may be -- >> nevada could be the difference. >> it may be romney's worst of the nine battleground states. >> aren't there a lot of mormans there? >> there are, but there's hispanics, harry reid's machine on the ground, there's labor. >> unions. >> and it's one of the few states where the hispanic vote is hugely -- huge...
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. >> iowa, colorado, nevada, virginia. ohio is a big one. the only way governor romney could win, if barack obama won ohio, was basically to sweep every other swing state right now. >> that could happen. >> it could. >> i could see a scenario where he wins nevada, where he wins colorado, where he wins new hampshire, where he wins iowa. i don't think, though, a guy like mitt romney, that type of candidate, is going to sweep all those states. >> you're from florida, obviously. why do you think romney's doing so poorly in florida? >> he's just a flawed candidate, steve. i'm telling you, the state has become more conservative by the day. the state legislature is extraordinarily conservative. the governor, extraordinarily conservative. the voters, very, very conservative. the congressional delegation, very, very conservative. democrats just hardly even have a bench down there. for mitt romney to be tied -- for him to be tied in a state that has become much more conservative in the ten years since i got out, i mean, the state's too conservative --
. >> iowa, colorado, nevada, virginia. ohio is a big one. the only way governor romney could win, if barack obama won ohio, was basically to sweep every other swing state right now. >> that could happen. >> it could. >> i could see a scenario where he wins nevada, where he wins colorado, where he wins new hampshire, where he wins iowa. i don't think, though, a guy like mitt romney, that type of candidate, is going to sweep all those states. >> you're from florida,...
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>> i think -- nevada is one they think they can win. >> i think they can win nevada, too. >> he thinks they can win new hampshire. >> i think he can win new hampshire. he's six short. here is the thing. you have given him his best scenario. when they talk about this election, they talk wisconsin, michigan, ohio and pennsylvania. one of those four. they cannot afford. they have to win one of those four. >> romney has to win what? >> michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania or ohio. >> he's not going win wisconsin or michigan. unless things change. >> if colorado is off the map, it's something that is -- colorado puts him over. >> romney can win colorado. he's more likely to win michigan or wisconsin. >> what about versus pennsylvania. >> more likely colorado than pennsylvania. >> colorado, ohio? >> it's a toss up. republicans always say they are going to win it. >> bottom line is, if you don't like the map you do or i do, do your own map, send it to us and tell us in the nicest way to stick it on twitter. >> okay. >> that's why we have this app. >> very good. chuck todd, thank you so much. tha
>> i think -- nevada is one they think they can win. >> i think they can win nevada, too. >> he thinks they can win new hampshire. >> i think he can win new hampshire. he's six short. here is the thing. you have given him his best scenario. when they talk about this election, they talk wisconsin, michigan, ohio and pennsylvania. one of those four. they cannot afford. they have to win one of those four. >> romney has to win what? >> michigan, wisconsin,...
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let's leave nevada out of it. the other four states? >> there's a lot of open space. >> long winters. >> not a lot of sunlight. >> new hampshire, live free or die, i'm going to join a brew. >> how do you get a job at the beer institute? are they hiring? >> do you have to go to school? >> you have to go to the right college and get -- >> i've done a lot of independent study on it. >> from "the daily mail," two boys managed to slip past security and attempted to snatch the olympic torch out of the carrier's hands. >> that wasn't much. >> they're kids. >> if those kids can break through security line, what does that mean for all the spectators of the game? >> just saying, mike. the conversation is now posed to the general public. >> we put it on the table, didn't we? >> we did. >> and now we're going to take it off the table. >> when i get on the plane and i see a 10-year-old, i freak out. >> joining us now, senior political reporter for political, jonathan martin. you got a big story for us? something about mitt romney going to israel? lo
let's leave nevada out of it. the other four states? >> there's a lot of open space. >> long winters. >> not a lot of sunlight. >> new hampshire, live free or die, i'm going to join a brew. >> how do you get a job at the beer institute? are they hiring? >> do you have to go to school? >> you have to go to the right college and get -- >> i've done a lot of independent study on it. >> from "the daily mail," two boys managed to slip...
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that's not going to help him with small business owners in nevada. that's not going to help him across the rest of america. but yes, on that issue, that's a goodie. mark that one as pro obama. >> can i submit an additional element to your question, your initial question. >> uh-huh. >> it is this, anybody who woke up this morning and is breathing, knows that president obama, you know, inherited a mess. everyone knows that. but they also know that the presidency is not an appointed position. you run for it. you run for it because you want it. the reason you want it is to do something for the country. it's his job now. it's his job. and it's his -- you hire people to fix things. >> and by the way, he knew what he was getting into. he was there on september 15th. he knew what he was getting into. he was the guy after that who said, if we haven't turned things around in three years, vote us out. so all of this talk about hey, i had no idea it was going to be this bad, that's kind of like telling evel knievel before he's going over snake river and you foun
that's not going to help him with small business owners in nevada. that's not going to help him across the rest of america. but yes, on that issue, that's a goodie. mark that one as pro obama. >> can i submit an additional element to your question, your initial question. >> uh-huh. >> it is this, anybody who woke up this morning and is breathing, knows that president obama, you know, inherited a mess. everyone knows that. but they also know that the presidency is not an...
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nevada led the nation in foreclosures for 62 straight months before arizona took that title in march. the san diego tribune, two large navy ships collided in the middle of the pacific ocean. nobody was injured and no fuel was spilled. there was damage. the steering malfunctioned on one of the ships. >> you're in the middle of the pacific ocean? >> how does that happen? >> you get a lot of space. >> and you collide with an aircraft carrier? >> here's some good news from the "seattle times." coffee drinkers appear to live longer. >> oh, thank god. >> that's the finding of a new study involving 400,000 participants. men who drank two to three cups a day had a 10% chance of outliving those who drank no coffee. women who drank coffee had a 13% advantage. the study was conducted by the national institutes of health and aarp and will be published today in the "new england journal of medicine." that was brewed by starbucks. all right, we'll be back in just a moment. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] virtual wallet can help you be that person who's good with money. see what's free to spend. move
nevada led the nation in foreclosures for 62 straight months before arizona took that title in march. the san diego tribune, two large navy ships collided in the middle of the pacific ocean. nobody was injured and no fuel was spilled. there was damage. the steering malfunctioned on one of the ships. >> you're in the middle of the pacific ocean? >> how does that happen? >> you get a lot of space. >> and you collide with an aircraft carrier? >> here's some good news...
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the same deal wouldn't work in mississippi or in nevada. that's why we -- >> except hide from it. >> he basically said it's not my fault that obama got it wrong. >> right. >> what we did in massachusetts was ever designed for all other 49 states. >> jeb bush has been at times a little critical of the party of late as well. republicans are attacking the president, though, now and coming together of the country's continued slow economic growth. president obama said the sluggish turnaround in large part due to the economic situation that he inherited from president george w. bush. but sunday on "meet the press," former florida governor jeb bush said that message is only effective for so long. >> how much do you get your back up when you hear this president blame a lot of the economic condition on your brother, your predecessor? >> i think it's time for him to move on. the guy was dealt a difficult hand, no question about it. he's had three years. his policies have failed. rather than blame others, which i know we were taught that was kind of u
the same deal wouldn't work in mississippi or in nevada. that's why we -- >> except hide from it. >> he basically said it's not my fault that obama got it wrong. >> right. >> what we did in massachusetts was ever designed for all other 49 states. >> jeb bush has been at times a little critical of the party of late as well. republicans are attacking the president, though, now and coming together of the country's continued slow economic growth. president obama said...
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kathryn cortes mastone of nevada is fighting this fight in nevada, which is at the epicenter of this crisis. we need to make sure that we investigate these things beyond robo signing and make sure we hold people accountable. people are angry. republicans and democrats, tea partiers and 99 percenters. they are angry that no one has been held accountable for something that they know is obviously fraud. and that's my job as attorney general. so it's a great time to be an attorney general. and that's why i've been so focussed on this. >> we appreciate your work on that and especially on veterans issues. we didn't have time to get to it. but as a veteran of the iraq war, you're doing very important work, and that's a problem that's getting more and more important. >> i'm going to be part of an event for president obama for veterans. i am proud to support this president. >> general beau biden. >> i'll take it for this morning, but my army guys are going to give me a hard time about it. >>> "week in review" is up next. ah, welcome to hotels.com. i get it...guys weekend. yeah! if you're look
kathryn cortes mastone of nevada is fighting this fight in nevada, which is at the epicenter of this crisis. we need to make sure that we investigate these things beyond robo signing and make sure we hold people accountable. people are angry. republicans and democrats, tea partiers and 99 percenters. they are angry that no one has been held accountable for something that they know is obviously fraud. and that's my job as attorney general. so it's a great time to be an attorney general. and...
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nevada is obviously a swing state. up there in the northern part of the state is where the election is won or lost. las vegas very democratic because of all the restaurant owners, big union town in vegas. you got to win in reno. both campaigns will spend a lot of time in the northern part of the city. >> oh, look, the big apple is a low cancer zone. the american cancer society in new york and new jersey found lower cancer rates in the city than in the rest of the state or the nation. >> thank you so much. >> mika is not pushing for a bloomberg fourth term. >> don't tread on me. >> willie is standing by live in london. willie, good god, help me here, help me. >> joe, i love that recovery on the billy ray cyrus. you said, "oh, i love billy ray cyrus." i didn't realize you were such a fan. >> huge fan. billy ray played on scarborough country one time for the troops. >> that's all it takes to win your heart. i love it, i love it. >> we're going to talk a little olympics. you've been studying, for some people just tuning in
nevada is obviously a swing state. up there in the northern part of the state is where the election is won or lost. las vegas very democratic because of all the restaurant owners, big union town in vegas. you got to win in reno. both campaigns will spend a lot of time in the northern part of the city. >> oh, look, the big apple is a low cancer zone. the american cancer society in new york and new jersey found lower cancer rates in the city than in the rest of the state or the nation....
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but they are already focusing on nevada and colorado as states where there's tons of early voting. they figure that before election day, 80% of the presidential voters in nevada and colorado will vote. so they are focusing there. focusing in michigan and florida. and they are using the recall drive against governor scott walker in wisconsin. incidentally, the home state of the rnc chairman. they are also using that to build up their list, their organizations. >> sam stein, there are a lot of good things you can say about john mccain. great war hero and great servant to this country. but one thing you cannot say about john mccain was that he was the most organized guy in the world. so you had the obama machine's extraordinary organization versus a less organized campaign. >> yeah. >> on this front at least, romney versus obama, have two people that -- this is going to be down to a science. and it sounds like they are already heading that direction. >> yeah. and one thing i would say is that romney brings to this process sort of this technical sense of how to run a campaign better th
but they are already focusing on nevada and colorado as states where there's tons of early voting. they figure that before election day, 80% of the presidential voters in nevada and colorado will vote. so they are focusing there. focusing in michigan and florida. and they are using the recall drive against governor scott walker in wisconsin. incidentally, the home state of the rnc chairman. they are also using that to build up their list, their organizations. >> sam stein, there are a lot...
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nevada and ireland both had housing bubbles and busts. but nevada medicare, social security are paid for by the federal government. in ireland they are paid for by the irish taxpayer so you have a debt crisis. the europeans -- and their answer has been just austerity. more austerity. the only answer. the debtor countries are sinners and they should pay for their sins. >> one of the things that surprise me if you talk even to labor leaders in great britain, they are not saying cameron is wrong because we want to spend 20% more. it seems to me that both sides of british politics and even french politics i think we're going to find in the long run, they are still working in the same margins. they both feel they are restricted by the realities of long-term debt. >> but they're wrong actually. certainly in britain they are wrong. the british are basically in the same situation we are. they can borrow cheaply. they have their own currency. you say, back in the '30s did, we have debt levels like this? yes, they did. they had higher ratios then t
nevada and ireland both had housing bubbles and busts. but nevada medicare, social security are paid for by the federal government. in ireland they are paid for by the irish taxpayer so you have a debt crisis. the europeans -- and their answer has been just austerity. more austerity. the only answer. the debtor countries are sinners and they should pay for their sins. >> one of the things that surprise me if you talk even to labor leaders in great britain, they are not saying cameron is...
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out west in nevada, they're doing very well. in iowa, mix, ohio, mixed, doing very well. >> okay. let's get an update on the hurricane and the aftermath of it so far. bill karins is standing by with the very latest. bill? >> good morning, once again, we're now about an hour away from sunrise, we'll get our first daylight pictures of the devastation from last night's high tide cycle. our reporters are in place and they're starting to send back some images from their locations. one of the areas we're very concerned with is the jersey shore. mike seidel was in point pleasant beach. he says he was at this bar yesterday, it had a 30-yard wide protective dune in front of it. he thought for sure that dune would hold and protect it. he said the front wall was totally washed out and all the water went straight through the bar and the restaurant there. and if that's any indication of what the storm did to the 30-yard wide dunes which is extremely wide, all the ones smaller than that had no chance either. that's the kind of destruction we're going to see up and down the coast today. the stor
out west in nevada, they're doing very well. in iowa, mix, ohio, mixed, doing very well. >> okay. let's get an update on the hurricane and the aftermath of it so far. bill karins is standing by with the very latest. bill? >> good morning, once again, we're now about an hour away from sunrise, we'll get our first daylight pictures of the devastation from last night's high tide cycle. our reporters are in place and they're starting to send back some images from their locations. one of...
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even if romney takes florida and ohio, with the big hispanic deltas, the 20-point deltas, the nevadas and new mexicos, what's the road on the electoral map, if pennsylvania is really not in play? how does he get there? >> the same way george w. bush got there. but if he loses -- well, he's got to win florida. he's got to win ohio. he's got to win indiana. >> iowa. >> got to did back and win indiana. iowa. it's only three electoral votes but he's got to win new hampshire, arizona. right now, that's a tough one. you've got new mexico, obviously, that he's going to have to play. >> how does he win new mexico? >> listen, it's too early to tell. it's the final weekend. we saw this on friday before the 1980 election. it was deadlocked. nobody knew until jimmy carter got the internal polls on sunday, i think it was, and he teared up in plains the next day. nobody knew until the day before the election that the entire country just swung. and it can swing wildly either way. you know, i don't know about you. i campaigned around the clock. i never -- i'll be blunt with you. i never met anybody t
even if romney takes florida and ohio, with the big hispanic deltas, the 20-point deltas, the nevadas and new mexicos, what's the road on the electoral map, if pennsylvania is really not in play? how does he get there? >> the same way george w. bush got there. but if he loses -- well, he's got to win florida. he's got to win ohio. he's got to win indiana. >> iowa. >> got to did back and win indiana. iowa. it's only three electoral votes but he's got to win new hampshire,...
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nevada is going to have a high unemployment rate. but things are getting better there too. so there's a real disconnect here for the romney message. where does he go to say that things are terrible? >> and, mike, don't you think he really goes into conflict with some republican governors? because john kasich is out there talking about the ohio turn-around, and so is governor mcdonald. so they are out there saying things are getting better, and he comes in and says the economy is lousy. it sort of conflicts within the framework of his own party. >> well, right. and what you were saying earlier, that people want their moses. people want someone to talk about where they are going go. you don't want a debbie downer for president, which is a little bit of a dilemma for the mitt romney message. >> as you point out in the piece, ginge ginger points out states lower than the national average in the country. >> and that's opposite of what happened in 1980, where all the swing states were suffering more. >> jimmy carter paid for it in the fall. >> do you think, mike, with debbie down
nevada is going to have a high unemployment rate. but things are getting better there too. so there's a real disconnect here for the romney message. where does he go to say that things are terrible? >> and, mike, don't you think he really goes into conflict with some republican governors? because john kasich is out there talking about the ohio turn-around, and so is governor mcdonald. so they are out there saying things are getting better, and he comes in and says the economy is lousy. it...
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as i said the other day what counts is what the independent voter in iowa or nevada or colorado turns to his wife or she turns to her husband and says, i think we can live with that guy or he didn't do it for me. that's where it counts. >> and final word, to jeff greenfield before we go to break, and jeff, it's not as if they can't take, as al said, what worked at this convention and use it moving forward, that people are not going to be focusing on this convention so much as how they use these personal stories. >> yeah. in fact, i realize this age, if you're live blogging as i was for yahoo! or tweeting in the middle i actually stopped and said, this is wrong. i mean, you know, oh that line worked great. i give that line a 6.5. nope. it's the next days and weeks. >> yeah. >> jeff greenfield, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> when is your -- >> watching for your columns on yahoo!? >> ebook is coming out september 18th, it will be called "when gore beat bush". >> before he leaves i know he has a commercial break, he's got to tell the story about, you know, all the poverty that everyo
as i said the other day what counts is what the independent voter in iowa or nevada or colorado turns to his wife or she turns to her husband and says, i think we can live with that guy or he didn't do it for me. that's where it counts. >> and final word, to jeff greenfield before we go to break, and jeff, it's not as if they can't take, as al said, what worked at this convention and use it moving forward, that people are not going to be focusing on this convention so much as how they use...
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it's gotten them an inability to win senate seats in colorado, nevada, delaware, the last time when they tried to pick winners and losers and this time they stayed out of it. they didn't want akin. three. -way race scared them because they thought the two more legitimate candidates that gave them a better shot. but they said as long as he's sort of under ground and doesn't speak, but they were very fearful of this. don't think they weren't. >> they knew what was coming. >> they knew what was coming, but they also made this decision because the tea party spoke because mitch mcconnell doesn't want to get primaried. john cornyn saw what happened in his home state of texas when a friend of his couldn't survive a primary. >> two-part question here. you talk to a broad array of people. is mitt romney wearing the akin comments as a candidate, republican candidate, and if so how does he shed it? >> i don't think he is yet, but he should fear that he could. if you look at our poll, a couple questions popped out and said this is why they're fearful of the akin story. we did 15 traits that we measu
it's gotten them an inability to win senate seats in colorado, nevada, delaware, the last time when they tried to pick winners and losers and this time they stayed out of it. they didn't want akin. three. -way race scared them because they thought the two more legitimate candidates that gave them a better shot. but they said as long as he's sort of under ground and doesn't speak, but they were very fearful of this. don't think they weren't. >> they knew what was coming. >> they knew...